Curse

Xpl0iter · Apr 14, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by Xaero Gouki Kriegor

hehe look more into your favorite profession sir lol you will see a elementalist can solo almost as much as a riposte dolyak signet warrior without being 55, if not more, infact, i think you could even go around perdition rock with elementalist and solo more things then a warrior ever can in perdition, builds already starting to come to my mind for ele, lol dont feel that the ele is left out, i would search more into the mesmer profession for soloing, my guildie on the other hand pushes the limits on his mesmer . . . . he solos many melee creatures and even can do the droknar forge run on his mesmer. . . .

just use your head and look around and study the skills, you will find that no profession is limited at all.

no, i can solo alot of things with ele non 55 build, please do not assume that i don't know my chars heh. i do no post comments unless i can justify.
Secondly, i know the different of who can do a damage how quick. i know how much time it takes me to do one area, which a monk can do instantly. a desrt messes me due to high energy costs, + high cast time heh. i used to farm griffons, hydras at times when bored, imps, and i know quite a few builds. one of the eles who were able to tank in uw with e/me as anti foe fasters. try running Ob flesh build to keep it on u at all time. its fun. ranger's serpent's quickness makes it just too easy. Interuption is the biggest issue for an ele. just because we both know alot of skills, and can come up with builds theoretically, doesn't neccessarily mean that the builds will work practically.
Alot of interuption. oh, and i am trying to farm scarbs at desert with ele

My issue is, being effective like others. till then, the things are not balanced. And by not having balanced, i meant to say, not just in farming, but in other context too, which includes killing, doing pvp and other chores we pull in gw.

Usage of skills without getting interupted for a caster is quite interesting, specially when it requires a second or 2 spells in your bar. Hence, my stress over being effective.

The reason i said we need to RELY on a NECRO is because of SS that goes with 55 monk.
it is a simple fact, have played all professions beside ranger and monkey. Sorry, i hate baboons.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Dougal Kronik · Apr 14, 2006, 07:15 AM // 07:15

Leave the skills, runes, and dynamics as they are.

Change the mobs. Have the Scarab Queen go on a global patrol. New area every other day. Invite some of her friends from wherever she came from to the party as well. Maybe a Devourer Duke with mesmer minions.

Xpl0iter · Apr 14, 2006, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

Leave the skills, runes, and dynamics as they are.

Change the mobs. Have the Scarab Queen go on a global patrol. New area every other day. Invite some of her friends from wherever she came from to the party as well. Maybe a Devourer Duke with mesmer minions.

ur ideas are making me fall in love with ur ideas. God i need to hide, my gf will strangle me!

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Murk · Apr 14, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Agree, every n00b can farm Griffins with its 55hp Monk build

BUT

To do more with it, you certainly NEED skills.

2nd, someone made this build.. great build, respect..
So what's the problem everyone is using it ?

There are builds posted everywhere

darkdragon99 · Apr 14, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35

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Originally Posted by Murk

Agree, every n00b can farm Griffins with its 55hp Monk build

BUT

To do more with it, you certainly NEED skills.

2nd, someone made this build.. great build, respect..
So what's the problem everyone is using it ?

There are builds posted everywhere

the guy who made the build is the only one who can talk crap as far as i'm concerned

ppl if you don't have the skill to make your own build and get it to work don't even start talkin trash

i really don't care if they nerf the 55 but really if you use one don't start talkin smack when ppl start saying nerf it if it's all you can do then you just suck

Xpl0iter · Apr 14, 2006, 08:54 AM // 08:54

he aint talkin shit, what he meant was, if the build that u use is not urs, dont get flamed when people ask anet to nerf it.

for all i care, keep other professions as well balanced as monk build, and believe me, other professions will come up with builds.

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Originally Posted by streets101

ok get over it were staying in this game (im a 55) the only thing we need to fix is BOTS! dont bother us we are using a stratagy to make money. Just cause other people cant make money because they have no skill thats there fault. stop flaming us. its a strategic build and we are limitied to areas. if there was no 55s half of the entire GW population wouldnt have fow armor so respect us!!!!!

first of all, u r using a build told to u by someone else, and thus, the skills u use, you dont really have to know them as to what they do, you just need the method.
Limited to areas? Dude, u ripped? the areas which u call Limited are the areas where people make most of their money at first place. In easy words, you have acces to the most valuable areas.
IN last, HALF of the population that you see with fow armour, paid you for the ectos you brought for them. They did not get it for free. They paid you, and you made that gold easy compared to them and their methods. Do not teach how gw economy works. play with your words against someone whom you can flatter with your *uber* strategies.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Str0b0 · Apr 14, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

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Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

heh, i read many people agreeing to someone that if 55 was nerfed, people would come up with different farming builds.
tell you what, nerf 55, and just wait for the next build. i will see how effective it is. And i agree with Op and his views.
Though, people who might assume i cant afford a 55 monk, lets say, i can create 20 of those monks. i got enough, so dont try to flame me from wealth wise. got nothing against 55s, but, i am a guy who likes to see another profession feeling bad when their favourite kind of build gets nerfed like for us eles. just so we all can cry together?
It is just lame to see that anet supports certain kind of professions for gold farming, and others dont get shit. till this game gets balanced, dont expect all players to be happy. Take FFXI for example, and learn from them. their professions are well balanced. if you need full example, i will bring one of the most popular players here just to give those people a satisfying example of How they feel comfortable with the balance between the professions they have in FFXI.

FFXI = Final Fantasy 11.
Oh by the way, Xaero, New people are suppose to learn from people, not to be given items from people who are old in this game, let them stand on their own, and be experienced as they go through stages, dont use that as an excuse to make things look reasonable. I have done that and i know how it goes.

I will suggest something just for YOUR sake.
If farming means so much to you, allow all professions to farm in certain way. dont allow couple of professions to take the lead for every thing. In easy words, stop forcing people like me who hate playing a monk char, mind you, i do not lack skills, i lack the love for this profession.
Why not letting me solo things with other chars? a mesmer should be able to solo certain areas without relying on 55 builds. Necros, go same for you, and any other profession out there who uses a 55 build with *necro* mesmer, ele or what ever primary. it is a MONK build. keep that in mind. Rangers and warriors can farm tocertain extent. the end users are eles and mesmers, who have no other option but to rely onnecro side, or monk side to support 55 monk, or become invinci chars.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Hmm I've got an E/Me ettin farmer that uses earth magic, echo and degen skills to put a hurting on people. You CAN farm with any profession if you bother to figure out how. Hell a minion master can be a farming factory because their minions don't get drops. Hmm let me see what else? Warriors farm ettins and trolls all the time. Rangers farm anywhere they please because traps are damned utilitarian. I mentioned my ele. Mesmer, not really useful in PvE except as a secondary so no farming builds there. Monk has the 55 of course. So so much for that argument. The game is perfectly balanced. It seems to me though that no one wants to apply themselves to anything aside from FotM builds. All it takes is a little trial and error and actually reading the skill lists to find synergy. the most important aspect of farming is crowd control and every single profession commonly used in PvE has a crowd control skill or skills. The most important thing is finding a build that suits your play style. I, for one, cannot play a 55 monk because it requires you to monitor your enchantments and take a more passive role than I like. That's why I have my ranger. It's trap, pull, forget. My ele is the same way. Magnetic Aura and kinetic armor means I rarely take significant hits while I spread Degen and knockdown all around. I've got an SS but I don't farm with him. I use him to back up my guildies because SS isnt just for farming. It's a force multiplier.

Xpl0iter · Apr 14, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

Is it just me, or you guys just read the first few lines of my posts, and stop bothering with the rest?
Quickmonty and starbo, this is for both of you.

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Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

no, i can solo alot of things with ele non 55 build, please do not assume that i don't know my chars heh. i do no post comments unless i can justify.
Secondly, i know the different of who can do a damage how quick. i know how much time it takes me to do one area, which a monk can do instantly. a desrt messes me due to high energy costs, + high cast time heh. i used to farm griffons, hydras at times when bored, imps, and i know quite a few builds. one of the eles who were able to tank in uw with e/me as anti foe fasters. try running Ob flesh build to keep it on u at all time. its fun. ranger's serpent's quickness makes it just too easy. Interuption is the biggest issue for an ele. just because we both know alot of skills, and can come up with builds theoretically, doesn't neccessarily mean that the builds will work practically.

If i am able to tank at places like Tombs farming where a tank has issues dealing with the agro, i can handle with my skills, which are not only ele side, but mesmer side as well to keep my self up with the mana or getting stripped of my enchantments.

Think about it, a person who can deal with that kinda situation, do you think i cannot handle earth tanking to normal ettins?
My issue is simple, just cause you can *farm* places, doesn't mean you can farm *worthwhile* places. I know ele skills way too well, and supporting mesmer skills are of no issue either. Perhaps it is wise for both of you to tell me that i can't farm with ele, but rather understand the fact that we can't farm as *good* as we could and we have way too limited resources.
Like i said, i can even do 55 ele if i ever want to, and i have done it, i have farmed hydras, and it requires not much of an issue, if you can keep check of serpents and ob flesh, or your armour buffs for elemental resistance and earth side. i am quite versatile. Before i conclude my post, i will repeat:
1) I can farm quite well with my ele
2) Regardless of how good i am with farming, i still cannot farm certain places unless i am a 55 ele. Which means, i am relying on builds which are not neccessarily made with ele skills.
3) I know my ele *very* well.

For people who found my posts hard to understand, and hence came up with a totaly wrong conclusion and tried to tell me that i need to start exploring my ele skills, i suggest you ask me to clear your curiosity and make my posts more clear.
Perhaps that would settle both issues? the issues of
1) me knowing my build and letting you know, AND
2) the issue of 55 build which needs to be balanced? because it allows only certain kind of support professions at first place?

I agree with you about the SS part, i got an SS, and i kinda hate to play with him. It is just too cheap to use. Same goes for my order necro, i hate to farm tombs or any place with barrage group. For the reasons on why i hate barrage group as well as SS necros, i have posted on other threads, and quite a few agree to me.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Arknow · Apr 14, 2006, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Is it just me, or you guys just read the first few lines of my posts, and stop bothering with the rest?

thats as far as i got, as i had to recast PS/HB

Xpl0iter · Apr 14, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

haha ark

Str0b0 · Apr 14, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

I see so given that I have pretty much been guaranteed to find at least one superior vigor rune and one Superior absorb rune in an hour of ettin farming which makes for 58-60K an hour it isn't worthwhile? I think your definition of worthwhile is different than mine.Farming builds are designed for specific areas or specific enemy types. There is no "universal farmer" not even a 55 HP monk. Even with cover enchants enchant strippers destroy a 55 monk because they are forced to sacrifice damage for protection in the form of swapping SoJ to Spell breaker. This makes them less efficient in these areas than say a stance build that utilizes stances instead of enchants. Farming is a situational thing. I can't tell you the number of times I saw some 55 monk farmer run out into an area chock full of enchant strippers and get mauled by them while a stance based farming warrior walks out and owns the entire pack with no problems. Other builds can be just as efficient so long as you find their niche. A 55 monk is not the end all be all of farming and it is by far not the most efficient farmer. If you want raw efficiency then trappers are far more efficient. They generally kill a group more or less instantly and their set up isn't as long as people often think it is. The average trap group or solo trapper sets in about 40-45 seconds then pulls the group, usually consisting of 5-6 individual mobs, which then die more or less immediately upon the traps triggering. I'd be willing to bet that in the areas a trapper is able to farm that it is more efficient and gathers drops faster than a 55 monk. This is of course over an extended farming session not just a one hit wonder where you go to the area once and then ditch to go somewhere else. I'm talking about real farming where you run the area several times. Over time the trapper will be more efficient because of the speed of the kills and the number of kills they can crank out per trap trigger. I've seen mobs heal through SoJ and continue the assault, pausing long enough to heal. I've seen them do the same thing with zealots fire by throwing on a regen skill and rocking on. I've yet to see any mob heal through trap damage. I've seen them try, stupid ettins and your healing signet, and I've seen them die. I think perhaps your play style is simply not conducive to efficient farming. there is nothing wrong with that. I'm not saying you are doing anything wrong. I'm just saying you play the game differently. You need to experiment with builds to find one that allows you to quickly and efficiently move through the areas you wish to farm.

Evilsod · Apr 14, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Ok lemme just point 1 thing out to some people.

Your whining about how 55 should be removed to give all professions a fair chance of farming.
Warriors have plenty of places + spiders in FoW
Rangers a few places + Forest in FoW
Eles have a few described earlier + can go 55
Mesmers (probably) have some + can go 55 (more effectively than eles to my knowledge)
Necros do 55 farming and SS/SV too

Theres more i know, don't expect me to list everything.

So, lets remove the 55 build and give all professions a fair chance at this.

Eles can still farm. Necros, yup. Mesmers, i guess so.

Now what about our dear friend the nerfed 55 monk, i have NEVER seen a single farming build for a monk that didn't use 55. So go ahead, continue whining about how the 55 monk is making farming unbalanced when by nerfing it you unbalance the monk itself and send it back to been a useless character for farming.

LifeInfusion · Apr 14, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...d.php?t=132460

Old idea. I got bashed for it.

quickmonty · Apr 14, 2006, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by Xpl0iter

Is it just me, or you guys just read the first few lines of my posts, and stop bothering with the rest?
Quickmonty and starbo, this is for both of you.

If i am able to tank at places like Tombs farming where a tank has issues dealing with the agro, i can handle with my skills, which are not only ele side, but mesmer side as well to keep my self up with the mana or getting stripped of my enchantments.

Think about it, a person who can deal with that kinda situation, do you think i cannot handle earth tanking to normal ettins?
My issue is simple, just cause you can *farm* places, doesn't mean you can farm *worthwhile* places. I know ele skills way too well, and supporting mesmer skills are of no issue either. Perhaps it is wise for both of you to tell me that i can't farm with ele, but rather understand the fact that we can't farm as *good* as we could and we have way too limited resources.
Like i said, i can even do 55 ele if i ever want to, and i have done it, i have farmed hydras, and it requires not much of an issue, if you can keep check of serpents and ob flesh, or your armour buffs for elemental resistance and earth side. i am quite versatile. Before i conclude my post, i will repeat:
1) I can farm quite well with my ele
2) Regardless of how good i am with farming, i still cannot farm certain places unless i am a 55 ele. Which means, i am relying on builds which are not neccessarily made with ele skills.
3) I know my ele *very* well.

For people who found my posts hard to understand, and hence came up with a totaly wrong conclusion and tried to tell me that i need to start exploring my ele skills, i suggest you ask me to clear your curiosity and make my posts more clear.
Perhaps that would settle both issues? the issues of
1) me knowing my build and letting you know, AND
2) the issue of 55 build which needs to be balanced? because it allows only certain kind of support professions at first place?

I agree with you about the SS part, i got an SS, and i kinda hate to play with him. It is just too cheap to use. Same goes for my order necro, i hate to farm tombs or any place with barrage group. For the reasons on why i hate barrage group as well as SS necros, i have posted on other threads, and quite a few agree to me.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

What?? Why you bring my name into it?

BahamutKaiser · Apr 15, 2006, 01:35 AM // 01:35

I believe effective solo builds are a neccessary part of the game, people need to have an effective farming technique, and an effective soloing technique. Being able to farm well and play solo (with 55 builds) is something that players can enjoy, and you are in no way limited from making one of your own, nor is it hard to end game a new character quickly.

The suggestion I would mention here is that every class should have an effective solo/farming build, it shouldn't be limited to certain classes uber skill combinations. And that good solo builds be available that don't involve 55 builds, or better solo builds be available then 55 builds, too keep Sup runes and certain classes from being unbalanced in usefulness.

Xpl0iter · Apr 15, 2006, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by BahamutKaiser

I believe effective solo builds are a neccessary part of the game, people need to have an effective farming technique, and an effective soloing technique. Being able to farm well and play solo (with 55 builds) is something that players can enjoy, and you are in no way limited from making one of your own, nor is it hard to end game a new character quickly.

The suggestion I would mention here is that every class should have an effective solo/farming build, it shouldn't be limited to certain classes uber skill combinations. And that good solo builds be available that don't involve 55 builds, or better solo builds be available then 55 builds, too keep Sup runes and certain classes from being unbalanced in usefulness.

Is it just me, or you always seems to say things in better way which i want to ?
I couldn't have said it any better in alot of words my self.
That was my point since i joined this thread. Every profession should have a build to do solo farming if solo farming is a neccessariy part of game. Reason? Every one likes certain kinda profession. I do not see a reason of us being pushed to follow certain builds.

@Evilsod
The farming places mentioned for eles, or mesmers, well guess what, i aint interesting in killing 20 imps, and making 500 gold to 1k and then having nothing. when you menton "55" for any other profession than monk, the primary profession basically becomes useless.
As what BahamutKaiser has said, have a look.

@Quickmonty
My apologies for bring your name, was refering to someone else

Regardz
An Elemetalist.

Foe · Apr 15, 2006, 04:49 AM // 04:49

lmao...echo nukers are still crying bout aoe nerf!? might try and say its something else but we all know better...get over it. we all enjoyed are nuking and u still can. solo or not theres #%$ left worth farming ne more as it is...lol o right chest runnerz.....

Xpl0iter · Apr 15, 2006, 05:48 AM // 05:48

foe, if i were to pick on you for your sarcasm that you tried to pull, i would end up writing a huge post. For now, when you got nothing better to suggest, and just making attempts to flame, i suggest you stay put.
Do something worthwhile when you send posts.
And just to help cure your issues, do find posts made by me with regards to your *uber* SS. you will learn alot.

And FYI, this is a FARMING BUILD thread, not AOE nerf. check other threads.

Regardz
An Elementalist.
And, an SS necro.

Foe · Apr 15, 2006, 08:39 AM // 08:39

cut pretty deep eh

e-tears are always the sweetest..

Lord Oranos · Apr 15, 2006, 08:42 AM // 08:42

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Originally Posted by Hunter Sharparrow

Nice contradiction. If it is what they intended and was meant to be then why would they have nerfed it before and are now making new areas hard or impossible to farm with a 55? Yes they do know about it and no they haven't done anything directly for two reason as I said before.

1. A direct nerf of the 55 would make other monks less affective and they don't want that.

2. A direct nerf of the 55 would just force those that farm with it to farm with other solo builds so instead are making new areas harder to solo just as Lord Oranos said. Except they are making it harder for more than just the 55 to do it.

Maybe because they modified it to be what they wanted it to be now? Nice interpretation. They saw the build as overpowered and changed it. Hunter there is no reason to even farm uw anymore, you can get more doing an fow run or even farming ettins.And really if you think a couple dying nightmares is soo hard to get by either solo or with a group, maybe you need to get some more experience with the game and come back.